Of course A.A. has philosophy; you're free to believe what you wish, though that doesn't change reality.leejosepho wrote:neither do I believe philosophy has any place in A.A.
Well you're contradicting the Big Book now. Heretic.leejosepho wrote: Says who?! Human beings were not created as alcoholics or anything else terminal. Mankind brought that upon itself and then some of us were born with whatever...
"There are such unfortunates. They are not at fault; they seem to have been born that way." Remember, bottles are just a symbol; these were born unable to be honest. It's that lack of honesty which kills these faultless unfortunates; they didn't have the freewill to do otherwise.
My father's death certificate should read "Cause of Death: Incapable of being rigorously honest".
And of course we were born with something terminal; the main cause of death is being born.
This is understood by those who aren't born 'that way'; the ones God created to fail (I assume).leejosepho wrote: "Selfishness - self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our troubles.
Mate, somewhere in the world fifteen children under the age of five years old die every minute. Many of their parents will be blameless and will have called out to God for help; yet their children still died. This is reality. I'm sure God wants those parents to be happy also, but reality and what's written down can be two separate things.leejosepho wrote: "We are sure God wants us to be happy, joyous, and free. We cannot subscribe to the belief that this life is a vale of tears, though it once was just that for many of us. But it is clear that we made our own misery. God didn't do it." (page 133)
I don't believe alcoholics who die of alcoholism are to blame for it. Mainstream neuroscience agrees with the Big Book too, you know. I really do think they're not at fault; suffering alkies need helping, not judgement; or understanding at least.
And you're free to judge them how you like, but can I ask you, did you use your freewill and choose to be an alcoholic? And did you just use your freewill to stop drinking? And why don't you use your freewill to rid yourself of your character defects?