Medical marijuana and AA

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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by SoberTech » Mon Jul 27, 2015 4:30 pm

I'm seeing a LOT of denial in AA regarding the euphoria and tendency toward chronic use that comes with ingesting Marijuana in any form.

I have had my share of pre-sobriety experience with Marijuana, and cannot see clear to call that state of mind "sober". It's about time somebody says so.

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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by SoberTech » Fri Aug 28, 2015 8:24 pm

Marijuana is NOT an outside issue. Mind altering drugs are not an "outside issue".
Drugs and/or drug abuse is mentioned many times in the Big Book.
Marijuana cannot be "prescribed" by a physician in the US, as it is not FDA approved. It can be only be RECOMMENDED.
Advice concerning Medical Marijuana should be Honestly Discussed with a physician who is aware that the patient is in recovery.

The medical efficacy of marijuana is a controversial issue.
Please note that tradition states THE AA NAME ought never be drawn into PUBLIC controversy.
I refuse to be distracted by those who would use Tradition 10 as a weapon to be used as an implement in order to undermine God's spiritual principles.

Marijuana remains illegal under federal law in the US.

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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by Chances » Sat Aug 29, 2015 3:12 am

It's about quality and quantity of life. If alcohol didn't have extremely negative social, personal and health affects than it wouldn't be a problem. AA is about giving up a poison from which no good comes.
Your talking about using a substance to obtain a better quality of life. That's not a form of selfishness, drug abuse or an ethical dilemma. All medications have side effects - in your case the good probably outways the bad.
I couldn't imagine having chronic pain so I feel for you there. If I was you I'd use the most effective means to manage that i could. I've never smoked or used that stuff but if it was the best medication (and not simply the medication i liked the most) I'd use it workout a second thought. I wouldn't feel great about breaking a law to do so but I also wouldn't confuse a law with a moral.

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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by Larryp713 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:00 am

I think this is a good topic. I personally know the difference when I am about to take an ibuprofen and when I am about to drink a shot or smoke a joint. My mind is affected completely different.
I won't judge you - I think the difference is the control it has over you. If you were to stop taking it, and honestly the only thing you are experiencing is pain from your condition, than I would think it would be ok to use it. If you are becoming restless, irritable, discontent, like I would, than you probably should research non-narcotic pain relief.
I will say this - I believe that the increase of prescribing medical marijuana stems mostly from a protest to legalize marijuana. I never developed an obsession for marijuana like I did for alcohol, but if I had, I would probably seek reasons (such as my chronic knee pain) to get a prescription for marijuana. I do believe that would undermine any and all efforts to be sober, even if I did not drink. I do believe the solution for my alcoholism is a spiritual remedy. Thanks for sharing!
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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by avaneesh912 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 3:41 am

Once in a while a thought comes through that I will be able to visit couple of porn sites and I get conned into believing it, then few days later, I am in it all the time. Working from home makes it even worse. I could have my home pc running all soughts of stuff on the side while I am working. You see my addictive/alcoholic mind takes over. I believe so, will be smoking a joint here and there. Maybe 5 years from now, I will turn into a full blow dophine.
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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by Brock » Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:40 am

mainerichards wrote:.... but it has been proven that marijuana can be the solution to different illnesses but we still have a long way to go to convince groups who have been opposing its legalization.
Welcome to e-AA mainerichards, what you say is true, but we should keep in mind that marijuana has been developed which has all the medical benefits without the “high.” The TV program 60 minutes did a story on the farmers, who tried to grow this particular variety, they were all ‘busting’ because nobody wanted their stuff. We are led to believe that the vast majority of people who smoke it for “medical” reasons are really only interested in the ‘buzz’, and while they may be a few medical conditions in which this ‘buzz’ is necessary for relief, most conditions are not.
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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by PaigeB » Thu Sep 10, 2015 9:03 am

but we still have a long way to go to convince groups who have been opposing its legalization.
Our AA Preamble states: ALCOHOLICS ANONYMOUS is a fellowship of men and women who share their experience, strength and hope with each other that they may solve their common problem and help others to recover from alcoholism. The only requirement for membership is a desire to stop drinking. There are no dues or fees for A.A. membership; we are self-supporting through our own contributions. A.A. is not allied with any sect, denomination, politics, organization or institution; does not wish to engage in any controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes. Our primary purpose is to stay sober and help other alcoholics to achieve sobriety.
I also personally do not oppose or endorse legalization. I think - think - that I wish it was at least decriminalized and that the prisons be purged of its marijuana offenders. But NONE of this is really for the New Comers Forum, rather is belongs in "If It Doesn't Fit Anywhere Else".

I will be asking the Moderators if they think a move to that Forum is appropriate.
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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by clouds » Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:28 am

I know if I use any substance that has a possibility of being addictive its potential to become a bad habit for me will be strong. If I had tried cocaine or heroin I doubt I would be sober or even alive today because I sought a way out of the realities of life from an early age. I got addicted to alcohol and I tried anything anyone offered me in the way of street drugs too. I had surgery a couple of times after I got sober and I knew without a doubt that all the painkillers were a threat to my sobriety and so I took the least amounts possible. I knew they were a threat because my closest friend in AA had a pill abuse problem andshe shared with me about her addictionsto meds and painkillers. I also knew I could fall into that addiction because I could feel the rush I got from painkillers, even aspirin! I couldn't deny the rush was something I looked forward to for the next time. So I was simply afraid to mess with my sobriety, I really had had enough of the old life and I treasured my sobriety, so I denied a lot of the meds I probably could have gotten over the years. I even know I have to watch out with things like chocolate! I was using over a half a cup of cocoa powder every day. I am now down to about two tablespoons and I want to be done with it. Honestly, I am so happy to have been able to give up the smokes and coffee and black tea. Now I can have something simple and non mind, body, nerve altering like ginger tea and turmeric teas. I know how injurious porn can be too, not for myself, but I have known others who battle with this and its just as powerful as alcoholism. There is hope for it in the 12 steps. Don't give up working the steps. Progress not perfection. Every minute that we spend in conscious contact with our Creator is one more eternal healing minute for our mind and sobriety. SA meetings can help.

Its really against my program to project my thoughts into hypothetical future imagined situations but
I can only think that if I got a really serious terminal illness I might, I said I might, consider accepting a perscription for marijuana. But I'm not sure I would consider it because I believe I would be happier in going through anything as sober as possible using a spiritual approach, trying to practice the spiritual principles I've learned like acceptance, step three, step seven and step 12 instead of copping out of what my life actually is, after all, its my life loved and lived as it has been given to me since I got sober. God's will be done, not mine. How can I best serve Thee?
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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by Larryp713 » Thu Sep 10, 2015 11:49 am

PaigeB wrote:But NONE of this is really for the New Comers Forum, rather is belongs in "If It Doesn't Fit Anywhere Else".
I agree with PaigeB completely on this point. The original discussion did have some merit here, in my opinion, as a newcomer seeking advice about using medical marijuana. The comments about legalization and merits of that, in my opinion, are not in keeping with the 10th tradition. - Larry
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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by Hguols » Fri Mar 18, 2016 8:27 am

Sorry to necrothread this topic, but I wanted to chime in - even being late.

I was diagnosed with colo-rectal cancer 4 days before Christmas 2015. I was using CBD oil (cannabis with the THC taken out - no THC means no euphoria/high by the way) in a vaporizer to help minimize symptoms, (recommended by 2 state cop friends, of all people, as an over-the-counter entirely legal in-all-50 states option) but there was a point where that didn't cut it. When my surgeon (who is aware of my ties to sobriety) recommended "the real stuff" (marijuana), the first thing I thought was "oh, here we go. Another medical professional that doesn't understand."

Most of that changed when my quality of living went down hill considerably. 20 painful trips to the restroom a day isn't very manageable. Pain pills don't cut it in my case as opiates constipate, which is very bad news (and even more painful) with a narrowed intestine due to the cancerous mass. In my situation, cannabis provided pain relief, nausea relief, easier "movements" and even smashed fatigue I was having. ...but the amount and motive makes all the difference, not what you take or how often you take it. I've talked with my home group (including my sponsor) about this and they agree.

Quality of life / Normal living > taking something that's commonly abused by others

Smoking marijuana isn't synonymous with large or continuous amounts and its also not synonymous with getting high. I do still have the opinion that if you're getting "stoned" from it, or taking it for other reasons besides addressing real-time pain, you're abusing it. If it doesn't help me live normally, or use of it itself again impacts normal living, then its being used for the wrong reasons and that's heading down a very slippery slope for those in recovery.

My experience, half or 1 toke isn't going to get you stoned (even the high grade stuff), has all the pain relief needed (for the day) and hits about as hard as taking 2 Benedryl (as directed on the box) for allergy relief. What do I do when I take my medicine? The same things I do when I don't.

I bought 1/8th of an ounce of hydroponic buds in January. Here it is towards the end of March and I still have 85% of it left. I don't sit around and smoke all day. I don't drive around with it and make it a social event any more than I would with an antibiotic - and that's how I treat cannabis. I'm actually grateful to God for this natural medical option He created, and just like anything else, I pray for guidance and responsibility.
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Re: Medical marijuana and AA

Post by Noels » Sat Mar 19, 2016 12:15 pm

Hi Cast no Shadow I'm Noels. Anybody who says don't take something that can help you with pain have never been in excruciating pain 24/7 365 days a year every year.
And if they haven't experienced excruciating crippling chronic pain shouldn't even be talking about it.
If it will make your life easier and enhance your quality of life you go ahead and use it. As prescribed. Very important.
Otherwise any person who are taking high blood pressure meds and meds for other chronic conditions shouldn't be regarded as 'sober'.
Secondly, AA to me is 'alcohol ' . So as long as you don't drink you are sober.
If you had a narcotics problem you would have been with NA.
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