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Re: Primetime aa

Postby Blue Moon » Fri Oct 06, 2017 8:34 am

Patsy© wrote:I will not be back to this thread, because I truly believe that if I do, then Brock and Blue Moon will have a cardiac event! :lol:


Why would I do that? What you said was correct.

But what we need to realise about these outside agencies is that, if they are not AA, they are not subject to AA Traditions. So there's no point in someone complaining about their non-compliance with AA Traditions. Even a bona-fide AA Group does not have to enforce Traditions, it cannot be forced to do anything it doesn't want to do (except Tradition 6, in a certain context). Traditions are suggestions, and it's the group that suffers if those suggestions are not followed, just as it's the individual AA who suffers if they don't take the Steps. So if I'm operating an outfit which is not an AA Group, I have not even a moral obligation to operate it according to AA Traditions. If I'm trying to pass off something else under the name of AA, the only people who can stop me are the courts. Nothing said here in this forum is going to make a difference. But as you indicate, no logo is a trademark of AAWS, so nobody infringes any trademark law by drawing a triangle in a circle even if older AA members recognise it in a certain context.

AA members' responsibility is to talk more to the wider community about what AA is, and what it isn't. If we don't, someone else will do it for us.

Perhaps a bigger problem is when AA Groups bring these outside agencies and literature into AA meetings. I've seen this happen with another "knock-off AA" movement which I won't grace here with a name. That problem is with the AA Group, rather than the outside agency trying to profit from it. That agency flourished because a lot of AA Groups were deviating from a recovery message. So perhaps these other parties would not do so well if more AA Groups in general got on-message with their 5th Tradition.
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Re: Primetime aa

Postby Patsy© » Fri Oct 06, 2017 10:52 am

Ok Bluemoon, as long as you won't have a cardiac event, I will come back here! :lol:

But what we need to realise about these outside agencies is that, if they are not AA, they are not subject to AA Traditions. So there's no point in someone complaining about their non-compliance with AA Traditions.

I didn't think that Primetime ought to follow AA Traditions, and I wasn't complaining about Primetime not following the 12 Traditions, after all they are not AA, why would they?
What my complaint was, is that they are NOT Alcoholics Anonymous and shouldn't be using the AA name to make money selling books and retreats. That is Theft. The 12 Traditions are for the AA group and AA members, and Primetime has conned enough AA members into thinking that they are AA.....which they ARE NOT :)


Perhaps a bigger problem is when AA Groups bring these outside agencies and literature into AA meetings. I've seen this happen with another "knock-off AA" movement which I won't grace here with a name. That problem is with the AA Group, rather than the outside agency trying to profit from it. That agency flourished because a lot of AA Groups were deviating from a recovery message. So perhaps these other parties would not do so well if more AA Groups in general got on-message with their 5th Tradition.

I absolutely agree with you! AA Groups and AA members are the ones responsible for reading, learning, and passing on all of those 12 Traditions that will enable AA to survive and stay alive and thriving.....and recognizable!
The thing that was so concerning to me is that so many AA members were not able to tell that Primetime was a knockoff and NOT Alcoholics Anonymous. That is truly scary!
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Re: Primetime aa

Postby Soberguy27 » Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:02 am

Well it was out of curiousity about this group and the fact that they had a disclaimer at the bottom of their website and also that they even had a webisite that made inquire about them. I have gone to meetings which were part of a group of meetings that all met at the same location and had one treasurer for all the meetings but had never had a website. Each meeting was a part of the group but each with it's own format. Some were speaker meetings and some were book study meetings. The fact that primetime has it's own website tells me that they consider themselves separate from rather than a part of. Just my opinion. Some say it's more like old school aa. Well considering our book was written in 1939 and our book itself says " We realize we only know a little"
Personally I believe that aa has to change as the world is a much different place than it was in 1939.
My program is working well and I don't see a need for any changes. Maybe primetime is more for the new comer than our oldtimers. Don't know. I guess to each their own.I just wanted to know what others thought of this.
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Re: Primetime aa

Postby PaigeB » Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:41 pm

I called my local general service office and they didn't have an issue with them and even have their meetings listed in the meeting guide.

So I think... Tradition 4...
“Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.”

https://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_tradition4.pdf
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Re: Primetime aa

Postby Patsy© » Fri Apr 27, 2018 2:09 pm

PaigeB wrote:
I called my local general service office and they didn't have an issue with them and even have their meetings listed in the meeting guide.

So I think... Tradition 4...
“Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.”

https://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/en_tradition4.pdf



If they called their local AA Central Service and they didn't have an issue with PrimeTimeAA.... then a GSR needs to be called to the AA Group to explain what AA Tradition 4 is, what it means and why. The GSR is the Keeper of the AA Traditions and will be able to pass on this information to the AA Group.

https://Spammer/wordpress/ <----- It actually comes up with word "Spammer" in web address. And I used the exact Website called Primetime.
Check out the website by putting Primtime AA into Google and take a good look at what they are charging to attend what they call
"PRIMETIME COED AA RETREAT"


AA Tradition 4 - Each group should be autonomous except in matters affecting other groups or A.A. as a whole.

Whenever any entity steals the AA name and uses it to make money.... THAT is not Alcoholics Anonymous in any way, shape or form. When theft of the AA name is used such as what Primetime AA has done... THAT certainly does affect other AA Groups and AA as whole.


The following is from aa.org, the genuine Alcoholics Anonymous website. In the pamphlet below that is produced by Alcoholics Anonymous, it states clearly whether there is such a thing as an AA Retreat. There isn't and that is directly from Alcoholics Anonymous.
Read # 19 IN the following AA pamphlet and pass that on to your local AA Central Service, they need to learn about What AA is and What AA is not.


https://www.aa.org/assets/en_US/p-29_ho ... opProf.pdf

# 19
What is the relationship of A.A. to retreats or other meetings for alcoholics which may (or may not) be held under the auspices of religious denominations?
There is no formal relationship at all, any more than there is a structural or official relationship between A.A. and any church, temple, ethical or humanist or agnostic society, or meditation centers that a member may attend.
A.A. does not sponsor such gatherings. There is no such thing as an “A.A. retreat,” any more than there is an “A.A. rehab center.”
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Re: Primetime aa

Postby Brock » Fri Apr 27, 2018 5:19 pm

For the record, I would like to point a few things out. Firstly sites when copied coming up as spammer is quite common, it is not an indicator that the site itself is spam. Also with reference to the last post, AA is speaking about ‘retreats’ with religious overtones, AA does not have those, but AA groups have many functions which are very similar, these can be found here - http://www.aagrapevine.org/calendar

Looking under today's date, we see one in Texas which stated this afternoon, (Carrollton Men's Weekend), clicking on that brings up their website listed as “Texas men’s retreat,” yes retreat, and listed in the AA grapevine, and gives a cost of $125. But I checked, and those folks at primetime are charging $225 for theirs, maybe theirs is a nicer location, maybe better food, who knows.

At any rate, to assure no further insults are added to this thread, the topic is now being locked. We pride ourselves here in trying to keep moderator actions to a minimum, but sometimes it’s unavoidable. Please think twice before bashing others, whose choice of recovery option you disagree with.
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