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by davep54
Sat Nov 30, 2019 1:50 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING ABOUT CRITICISM OF AA!
Replies: 25
Views: 5946

Re: DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING ABOUT CRITICISM OF AA!

"That’s fine, but the point Spirit made is still valid, many use AA for the ‘wrong’ reason, and are counted among the unsuccessful percentage when they leave. I think a good part of the reason might be this emphasis some people make on AA being a ‘support group,’ yes, it helps support us when we are...
by davep54
Sat Nov 30, 2019 2:30 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING ABOUT CRITICISM OF AA!
Replies: 25
Views: 5946

Re: DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING ABOUT CRITICISM OF AA!

Alot of people go to AA who do not want it. These people should not be counted in statistics because they never intended to get sober. They were mostly there to get out of jail or get their spouse to stay around. AA forward in the Big Book says, of those who really try, only 50% make it the first t...
by davep54
Fri Nov 29, 2019 1:13 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING ABOUT CRITICISM OF AA!
Replies: 25
Views: 5946

DO NOT READ THIS POST IF YOU DON'T LIKE READING ABOUT CRITICISM OF AA!

'The Sober Truth", a book (2014)by Dr Dodes A psychologist friend of mine put the following post up on FB:‘It's not only that AA has a 5 to 10 percent success rate; if it was successful and was neutral the rest of the time, we'd say OK. But it's harmful to the 90 percent who don't do well. And it's ...
by davep54
Fri Nov 22, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: The 12 Steps
Topic: Here are the steps we took...
Replies: 4
Views: 1896

Re: Here are the steps we took...

I''m confused, you don't actually do or take action after turning your thoughts to someone you can help? We ARE retraining the brain to think of solutions, not problems. Meditation helps with this by practicing turning our thoughts from Chaos to calm over and over as we watch intrusive thoughts pas...
by davep54
Thu Nov 21, 2019 12:02 am
Forum: The 12 Steps
Topic: Here are the steps we took...
Replies: 4
Views: 1896

Re: Here are the steps we took...

I can't argue with any of this! Good stuff! How many 5th steps would I have to do? My sponsor already heard my 5th step LOL she doesn't need to hear my entire life story over and over again. I still do mini 5th Steps with my sponsor. If it was drastic enough for me to write about it then it is dras...
by davep54
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:53 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: One day at a time
Replies: 60
Views: 9689

Re: One day at a time

At my home group when the promises are read out and the passage re "are these extravagant promises?' the whole group states "we think not" I scares me to have these rituals, it reminds me of a Catholic Mass.
by davep54
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:50 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: One day at a time
Replies: 60
Views: 9689

Re: One day at a time

I sometimes feel like "old timers" forget what is like to live a day or half hour at a time. They forget the desperation, the minute by minute struggle not to go off the rails. That is why that slogan exists. Sorry it is not for you, now, but it does help the new comer live one more sober day or ho...
by davep54
Wed Nov 20, 2019 11:49 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: One day at a time
Replies: 60
Views: 9689

Re: One day at a time

Personally I'd like to end meetings with this, not "keep coming back, it works if you work it" crap. A man after my own heart. I don’t even understand what they mean by work it, or ‘I am working step X or Y,’ and judging from newcomers asking what it means, I am not alone. What happened to simple w...
by davep54
Wed Nov 20, 2019 9:00 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: One day at a time
Replies: 60
Views: 9689

Re: One day at a time

D'oh, In the BB the serenity prayer ends with "your will not mine be done", not your version. Personally I'd like to end meetings with this, not "keep coming back, it works if you work it" crap.
by davep54
Tue Nov 19, 2019 6:58 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: The Variety of Religious Experience
Replies: 10
Views: 2404

Re: The Variety of Religious Experience

Hi PaigeB, Wikipedia has a good brief on the book that you might find helpful: (Link removed by moderator). I've read some of Fr. Martin's stuff and enjoyed it, been a while though. James doesn't really discuss other religions or religion at all per se. It was more about how people experienced a pow...
by davep54
Mon Nov 18, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: The Variety of Religious Experience
Replies: 10
Views: 2404

Re: The Variety of Religious Experience

Thanks for the comments. I found it a difficult book to digest, no doubt, and I'm not stupid. It's based on a series of lectures given at Edinburgh University in 1901/2 so the language and concepts are dated but still relevant. As I said above Bill paraphrases it in the BB, he must have been a very ...
by davep54
Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:49 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: The Variety of Religious Experience
Replies: 10
Views: 2404

The Variety of Religious Experience

By William James (1902). It's mentioned twice in the BB but I've never met anyone who's read it. I found it to be a very difficult read but persevered and liked it. I think Bill was very fortunate not to be charged with plagiarism =biggrin as there is a lot of identical info in both books. Anybody e...
by davep54
Mon Nov 18, 2019 5:43 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: New Slogans
Replies: 48
Views: 9240

Re: New Slogans

Then we don't need new slogans, we just need the BB. I never liked or used anything outside conference approved literature except "The Varieties of Religious Experience" by William James.
by davep54
Sun Nov 17, 2019 3:55 am
Forum: Discussions
Topic: New Slogans
Replies: 48
Views: 9240

Re: New Slogans

Why do we need new slogans again?
by davep54
Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:32 pm
Forum: Discussions
Topic: Surviving the Holidays
Replies: 8
Views: 2111

Re: Surviving the Holidays

Christmas can be just another time to apply living in a 24 hour compartment; on wakening, throughout the day, upon retiring etc. Your HP will keep you restored to sanity if you ask Him each morning.